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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2010, 01:20:04 pm » |
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Holmes, unlike House, was not a sadist. And Holmes had concern for other people's safety.
Holmes wasn't above leaving potential victims in place as bait, Sir Henry Baskerville, for instance. Equally I'm not sure that sadist is truly the right word for House, even his cruelest manipulations can be aimed at forcing people to grow/learn. I'd probably label him amoral rather than immoral. We're gonna have to differ on that one, I think. I think he self-justifies that way, but I don't buy the justification. Me neither, but I think his goal is just to win at any cost. And his definition of win is "find the correct diagnosis" which is not necessarily the same as "save the patient's life." |
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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2010, 03:37:03 pm » |
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After some thought, I would have to say that Dr. Greg House is as good a doctor as Dr. Temperence Brennan is a scientist.
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« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2010, 04:22:54 pm » |
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How about Drs. House and Frost? Neither one ought to be actually talking to a patient.
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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2010, 07:48:18 pm » |
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How about Drs. House and Frost? Neither one ought to be actually talking to a patient.
Heh. Picturing the two of them working together on a case. They would not deal well with each other. At all. |
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« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2010, 08:35:48 pm » |
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How about Drs. House and Frost? Neither one ought to be actually talking to a patient.
Heh. Picturing the two of them working together on a case. They would not deal well with each other. At all. Um. The mind boggles. There *might* be bits of House left when Frost got through with him. Actually, I take that back. She'd have him all sewn up and ready for next-of-kin identification. |
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« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2010, 10:27:02 pm » |
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Oh, Gawd. If House knows what's good for him, he will stay far away from Madeline Frost... :- )
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« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2010, 11:16:32 pm » |
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After some thought, I would have to say that Dr. Greg House is as good a doctor as Dr. Temperence Brennan is a scientist.
The Dr. Temperence Brennan in the books is far more knowledgeable and competent. I think the TV show is set in an AU... |
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« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2010, 02:02:40 am » |
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How about Drs. House and Frost? Neither one ought to be actually talking to a patient.
Heh. Picturing the two of them working together on a case. They would not deal well with each other. At all. Um. The mind boggles. There *might* be bits of House left when Frost got through with him. Actually, I take that back. She'd have him all sewn up and ready for next-of-kin identification. Naw, she'd just be baffled by him. None of his manipulative tricks would work on her. After a few minutes he'd be throwing things in frustration, and she'd call security on him. |
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« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2010, 02:35:57 pm » |
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After some thought, I would have to say that Dr. Greg House is as good a doctor as Dr. Temperence Brennan is a scientist.
The Dr. Temperence Brennan in the books is far more knowledgeable and competent. I think the TV show is set in an AU... +1 If you've only seen the Bones TV show, I would recommend reading the books. They're completely different, and Tempe is a fascinating character. |
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« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2010, 02:36:55 pm » |
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As am I, which is why I saw it. But seriously, the canon actually describes, sometimes in the same story, both black despairs (which he uses heroin to self-medicate) and manias (and that word is actually used).
Was cocaine not his "medication" of choice? |
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« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2010, 04:17:40 pm » |
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The Dr. Temperence Brennan in the books is far more knowledgeable and competent. I think the TV show is set in an AU...
+1 If you've only seen the Bones TV show, I would recommend reading the books. They're completely different, and Tempe is a fascinating character. Yes. I love the books; they're on my "read from the library as soon as I move to the top of the holds queue, then buy for re-reading when the paperback comes out" list. I used to watch the TV show occasionally; the occasions are becoming fewer and fewer. |
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« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2010, 09:35:40 pm » |
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As am I, which is why I saw it. But seriously, the canon actually describes, sometimes in the same story, both black despairs (which he uses heroin to self-medicate) and manias (and that word is actually used).
Was cocaine not his "medication" of choice? You are correct, I misremembered. |
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« Reply #57 on: April 18, 2010, 06:41:05 am » |
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I think his goal is just to win at any cost. And his definition of win is "find the correct diagnosis" which is not necessarily the same as "save the patient's life."
I think there's slightly more to House than just diagnosis, there's 'and not be bored'*, which we see with his cooking hobby while his license is suspended. He quickly goes beyond basic cooking and all but turns himself into Heston Blumenthal, yet before the episode is out he's also having to supply anonymous diagnoses to his team. He's explicitly said on several occasions that the reason he likes Wilson is that he's not boring and I suspect that's what he's trying to do to his team with his manipulations -- create a support structure of people who don't bore him. *not being bored helps with pain control, but I think it predates his injury, and this is one of the obvious similarities with Holmes, both becoming self-destructive if not constantly challenged. |
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« Reply #58 on: April 18, 2010, 07:14:17 am » |
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After some thought, I would have to say that Dr. Greg House is as good a doctor as Dr. Temperence Brennan is a scientist.
The Dr. Temperence Brennan in the books is far more knowledgeable and competent. I think the TV show is set in an AU... +1 If you've only seen the Bones TV show, I would recommend reading the books. They're completely different, and Tempe is a fascinating character. The two Drs Brennan are clearly different characters, whatever Kathy Reichs says to the contrary. The on-the-page Tempe actually annoys me more, I tend not to see her decisions to push herself into danger as reasonable ones. But she is a more rounded and ultimately satisfying character. The on-the-screen Dr Brennan is more played for laughs (actually true of a lot of TV crime shows) and as a pseudo-aspie, which I've never quite figured out where they're going with the idea given they had an actual Aspie character in Zach, unless it's simply to keep her and Booth apart by having all of the sexual tension between the two of them pass completely over her head. The pseudo-science of on-screen-Brennan can (IMO) be forgiven as literary shorthand consistent with the premise of the show, even CSI, which is a hard-forensics show (as compared to Bones as a forensics-opera show) usually drops multiple steps from its forensic procedures in favour of graphic presentation and unsupported or barely supported, but convenient for the story, conclusions. |
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« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2010, 08:07:58 pm » |
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How about Drs. House and Frost? Neither one ought to be actually talking to a patient.
The difference between them (well, a difference, anyway) is that Frost knows it. And the problem with Bones, for me, is that it holds its title character in complete contempt. |
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