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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2011, 07:24:31 am » |
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So many questions from just part 1.
Where are Lau and Danny? is probably my biggest question. Normally, we'd know if they were left behind for team selection/time in the field reasons. So why is Reyes missing them?
Clearly, the unsub is someone with access to mothers and children. Teacher? Child psychologist? Court appointed advocate of some stripe? Medical professional? Coach? YMCA staffer?
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Any connection between American art and American nature is purely coincidental, but this is only because the nation as a whole has no contact with reality.
'Ignatius J. Reilly' in John Kennedy Toole's -- A Confederacy of Dunces
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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2011, 08:10:40 am » |
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So many questions from just part 1.
Where are Lau and Danny? is probably my biggest question. Normally, we'd know if they were left behind for team selection/time in the field reasons. So why is Reyes missing them?
Clearly, the unsub is someone with access to mothers and children. Teacher? Child psychologist? Court appointed advocate of some stripe? Medical professional? Coach? YMCA staffer?
I'm guessing someone who works at the school. Maybe a teacher's aide or a janitor, but my (fictional) money is on guidance counselor. Different schools because the unsub takes the kid to a 'better life' each time (partly from mythology, partly from need to have new kid unquestioned). |
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"I wanted to tell you both. I've met someone."
"Danny, that's good," his mother said, sounding strange and strained and cautious. "What's--"
"His name's Grayson. He works for the State Department."
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2011, 01:22:05 pm » |
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The whole kid's worst nightmare thing is just...gah! And Chaz's reaction to it. And Faulkner totally wants to run home and hug her kids. *I* want to run over and hug her kids. *hides under covers from what is coming next*
Interesting setup. Is the Unsub targeting single mothers, or simply where there is not a man in the house?
This latest victim certainly suggests the latter. I find it interesting too that a) they haven't found any of the boys bodies and b) the mothers are physically unharmed. It kinda suggests that the harm that is happening isn't being done on purpose. (which, sadly, doesn't mean that the previous boys are somewhere alive) Also, while the restart of the cycle about the time the boys hit puberty suggests stuff better not mentioned, I kinda wonder if it's more of a general growing up thing than really about puberty specifically. Twelve is also considered the age of reason, and it's not just a matter of experience - stuff happens in the brain between ages 8 and 12 that allows 12 year olds to think more logically than when they were seven. It's almost more like the unsub is repeating a memory or experience that starts when the boys are 9 and ends about 3 years later. And the part that I keep coming back to is that it is the primary care-givers that have suffered memory loss - and that the cycle starts again about the time the previous boy has become old enough (or close to old enough) that it's not illegal to leave him alone for hours. |
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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2011, 09:08:17 pm » |
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Re-reading the teaser about the cut flowers shrivelling up and dying, I'm not laying good odds on the past boys still being alive.
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2011, 12:30:37 am » |
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Given the "cooling off " period has been 3 years each time, I doubt it's actual puberty that's triggering the need for a new abduction. Just as nine-year-olds are varied, so are 12-year-olds. Some will have started puberty and others have years yet to go. Somehow it's the numbers that's motivating this GUnsub.
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2011, 04:37:46 am » |
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I'm pretty sure we can start a chorus.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
Indeed. With harmony, probably. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2011, 08:19:38 am » |
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I'm pretty sure we can start a chorus.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
Indeed. With harmony, probably. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
I think we need to make it a three part melody. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2011, 09:17:43 am » |
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I'm pretty sure we can start a chorus.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
Indeed. With harmony, probably. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
I think we need to make it a three part melody. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
Nope. Still can't sing. |
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"I wanted to tell you both. I've met someone."
"Danny, that's good," his mother said, sounding strange and strained and cautious. "What's--"
"His name's Grayson. He works for the State Department."
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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2011, 09:54:51 am » |
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Dissonance is hardly out of place in *this* chorus.
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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2011, 10:07:15 pm » |
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Jackson was about Reyes's height, but about a Reyes-and-a-half wide. Stephen Reyes is a standard unit of measurement. Interesting setup. Is the GUnsub targeting single mothers, or simply where there is not a man in the house? Two more parts before we get answers! If then! Maybe it's the absence of the boy's father in particular that's important? |
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He's a semi-aquatic egg-laying mammal OF ACTION... "Hey, where's Villette?"
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« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2011, 09:02:29 am » |
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Also, while the restart of the cycle about the time the boys hit puberty suggests stuff better not mentioned, I kinda wonder if it's more of a general growing up thing than really about puberty specifically. Twelve is also considered the age of reason, and it's not just a matter of experience - stuff happens in the brain between ages 8 and 12 that allows 12 year olds to think more logically than when they were seven.
Huh. I'm used to thinking of the age or reason as being about seven or eight. Which has often stuck in my head because I worked with kids whose ages were about 7-11 for a couple of years in there. An incredible fun age - their ability to consider ethical questions and abstractions really has kicked in pretty seriously, but the hormones have not yet. Okay, at times a somewhat heartbreaking age, as well. I remember some of my students articulating these remarkably clear eyed assessments of their parents romantic behavior, for instance. (When a nine year old is contemplating father's third marriage - that she can remember - to a women he's known for less than six months and who he's already directing his daughter to refer to as "mom".... yargh.) It's almost more like the unsub is repeating a memory or experience that starts when the boys are 9 and ends about 3 years later. And the part that I keep coming back to is that it is the primary care-givers that have suffered memory loss - and that the cycle starts again about the time the previous boy has become old enough (or close to old enough) that it's not illegal to leave him alone for hours.
From the episode: They always come to mind at the sight of gardens and florists. Fresh, bright blossoms swaying on strong stems, until they grow tall enough to be cut. Why? So that someone might admire and want them.
Which leaves me positively queasy. (Okay, so I was already home with some stomach bug. Still.) |
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« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2011, 11:43:21 am » |
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It's almost more like the unsub is repeating a memory or experience that starts when the boys are 9 and ends about 3 years later. And the part that I keep coming back to is that it is the primary care-givers that have suffered memory loss - and that the cycle starts again about the time the previous boy has become old enough (or close to old enough) that it's not illegal to leave him alone for hours.
soooooo ... does this mean we can hope the UNsub is doing something relating to being abandoned or neglected during his preteen years, not just molesting the kids for three years and then killing them? no? no, probably both. *sigh* |
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No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality.
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« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2011, 01:53:14 pm » |
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So many questions from just part 1.
Where are Lau and Danny? is probably my biggest question. Normally, we'd know if they were left behind for team selection/time in the field reasons. So why is Reyes missing them?
Clearly, the unsub is someone with access to mothers and children. Teacher? Child psychologist? Court appointed advocate of some stripe? Medical professional? Coach? YMCA staffer?
I'm guessing someone who works at the school. Maybe a teacher's aide or a janitor, but my (fictional) money is on guidance counselor. Different schools because the unsub takes the kid to a 'better life' each time (partly from mythology, partly from need to have new kid unquestioned). If they can fiddle with people's memories, it may be hard to find them from interviews - the contact could be fairly intimate and yet invisible. Are there guidance counsellors for nine year olds? |
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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2011, 02:14:52 pm » |
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So many questions from just part 1.
Where are Lau and Danny? is probably my biggest question. Normally, we'd know if they were left behind for team selection/time in the field reasons. So why is Reyes missing them?
Clearly, the unsub is someone with access to mothers and children. Teacher? Child psychologist? Court appointed advocate of some stripe? Medical professional? Coach? YMCA staffer?
I'm guessing someone who works at the school. Maybe a teacher's aide or a janitor, but my (fictional) money is on guidance counselor. Different schools because the unsub takes the kid to a 'better life' each time (partly from mythology, partly from need to have new kid unquestioned). If they can fiddle with people's memories, it may be hard to find them from interviews - the contact could be fairly intimate and yet invisible. Are there guidance counsellors for nine year olds? You know who else fiddles with memories? Renee. I wonder if she'll show up somehow in connection--it seems unlikely she's the UNSUB here, but she does seem like the beta version of this gamma. As it were. |
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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2011, 02:24:14 pm » |
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soooooo ... does this mean we can hope the UNsub is doing something relating to being abandoned or neglected during his preteen years, not just molesting the kids for three years and then killing them?
no? no, probably both. *sigh*
Well, I wouldn't want to make too strong of predictions about what the molestation involves. The starting quote focuses a lot on being wanted or not wanted. And then we have this power that seems to focus on being recognized (or not). And time lines that point to this being one of the more subtle and elaborate gammas we've seen. Which is interesting in itself, as a lack of escalation and general over-the-topness might indicate a generally less deranged gamma. (Not to mention likely a pretty intelligent one. I keep thinking of Hope. I'm not quite sure why I think Hope more than Betty Johnson, though.) Add these last factors to what we suspect about the mythology... and I think the forecast is for tragic with bursts of heartbreaking. And, of course, it's a season finale. And we're back to dealing with children. One would also expects, thematically, that it will touch on the larger story arcs in play in a significant way. So one suspects that there will be some reveal involving Moriarty. Hm, now what else do we have? You know who else fiddles with memories? Renee. I wonder if she'll show up somehow in connection--it seems unlikely she's the UNSUB here, but she does seem like the beta version of this gamma. As it were.
I was thinking of her, and quite happy the location is all wrong. Though I suppose she might have had a run-in with this unsub at some point. "'Your mother doesn't love you. She doesn't want you. She's forgotten all about you.' It's every kid's nightmare."
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