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rekre8
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« on: March 02, 2009, 09:51:28 pm »

Okay, this may be overly reading into things, or it may be foreshadowing.

Before Chaz's irregular parentage came to light, while on vacation in Hawaii, Haf's adoptive parents commented on their similarities RE the anomoly.  And we just found Faulkner's 2nd kid was adopted.  Her family has close ties to Chaz.  The PTBs might be cruel enough to have Deborah go gamma some day. 

I can see lots of reasons why this is reading to much into it.  But the PTBs wanted us to post predictions here so they can shoot 'em down (or at least laugh).
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 11:08:15 pm »

Okay, this may be overly reading into things, or it may be foreshadowing.

Before Chaz's irregular parentage came to light, while on vacation in Hawaii, Haf's adoptive parents commented on their similarities RE the anomoly.  And we just found Faulkner's 2nd kid was adopted.  Her family has close ties to Chaz.  The PTBs might be cruel enough to have Deborah go gamma some day. 

I can see lots of reasons why this is reading to much into it.  But the PTBs wanted us to post predictions here so they can shoot 'em down (or at least laugh).

I would posit a large number of non-Gamma adoptees, as well.

I don't think it is too likely.  (It is, however, intriguing.)  If it happens, we'll see more of Faulkner's home life, including Deborah, probably for most of a season beforehand.  I can't see the PTB doing this without taking the chance to maximize our empathetic suffering.


But it's not fair to strike at your so-cool theory without throwing in one of my own.  Hmm...


Reyes' traumatic incident, the one that started him out on the monster-hunt, was the Gamma-conversion of one of his children, who then killed the rest of his family before Reyes managed to hill him (her?) in turn.

I haven't checked the timeline on that.  For Reyes' sake, I hope it doesn't work.

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 11:56:58 am »

What if Betas are all children of Gammas?

1. Both of our Betas are orphans
2. Chaz is a second generation anomaly
3. We don’t know Haf’s biological parents, so we can’t know if she is a second generation anomaly or not.

This leads to the questions:
With the investigative resources at their disposal has either Haf or Reyes found out who Haf’s biological parents are?

Once Reyes discovered Chaz’s parentage did he started investigating the known children of Gammas? (I believe the Vietnam Vet. had an estranged daughter for example)
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2009, 12:58:15 pm »

Ohhh.  That's a disturbingly plausible theory.  I wonder whether that might have something to do with Hafs' ability to detect gamma-related activity...
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2009, 01:14:39 pm »

And we just found Faulkner's 2nd kid was adopted.

Minor point of order: We've known Deborah was adopted pretty much from day one; it's listed in Esther's official bio at http://www.shadowunit.org/falkner.html

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The PTBs might be cruel enough to have Deborah go gamma some day.

Oh, they're definitely cruel enough. The question is whether her going gamma fits in with all the other stuff they're planning ...
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 05:13:40 pm »

But adoption doesn't correlate with Gamma-hood, it correlates with Beta-hood.  So, following the pattern, Deborah might go Beta, but she's less likely to go Gamma.
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 05:17:33 pm »

Once Reyes discovered Chaz’s parentage did he started investigating the known children of Gammas? (I believe the Vietnam Vet. had an estranged daughter for example)

He did, but the rape and murder of said daughter was what triggered his conversion, if I remember correctly.  So she isn't around to investigate (except retroactively)...

There's also the high likelihood that William Villette wasn't a gamma when he raped Addy to factor into the theory.  Is the potential or susceptibility to go beta/gamma maybe something that's passed along, like a cancer trigger?
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 05:50:55 pm »

There's also the high likelihood that William Villette wasn't a gamma when he raped Addy to factor into the theory.  Is the potential or susceptibility to go beta/gamma maybe something that's passed along, like a cancer trigger?

That's been my take pretty much since RF.  I mean, there are other things it could be, but that one makes the most sense to me.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 09:04:45 pm »

But adoption doesn't correlate with Gamma-hood, it correlates with Beta-hood.  So, following the pattern, Deborah might go Beta, but she's less likely to go Gamma.

Isn't there some sort of quote about correlation?


Though adoption would fit well as a Crack.  (Well, the being-available-for-adoption part.)  One could argue that suffering these Cracks while one is still young and mentally flexible increases the odds of Betaness over Gammahood.  Though The Gun still needs to be accounted-for.

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 10:31:59 pm »

I predict that the Cowboy and his Audi-Notaboy will get married in the next hiatus. I have no textual support for this. I just love Danny and want him to be happy.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 12:00:31 am »

I'm just hoping to see Danny going through the mental gyrations we've witness the poor platy go through.  Does he like me?  Really like me? - that sort.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2009, 05:19:13 am »

But adoption doesn't correlate with Gamma-hood, it correlates with Beta-hood.  So, following the pattern, Deborah might go Beta, but she's less likely to go Gamma.

Isn't there some sort of quote about correlation?


Though adoption would fit well as a Crack.  (Well, the being-available-for-adoption part.)  One could argue that suffering these Cracks while one is still young and mentally flexible increases the odds of Betaness over Gammahood.  Though The Gun still needs to be accounted-for.

-Myth, never content with only one side of an argument.

Well, sure, but at least there's an actual correlation of adoption with Beta-hood.  There isn't any correlation of adoption with Gamma-hood, so it makes even less sense.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2009, 11:38:19 am »

My point is actually that, so far we have met (that we know for sure) only 1 second generation anomaly, and that one is a Beta,  But you can't draw a line from one point.

We do know one other Beta, but we can't know if she is second generation or not because she is an orphan (darn the "powers that be" only two known Betas and both are orphans. What were the odds?)

I do think that we can say that with their tendancies toward violence Gammas do not make good parents, and if they had any children, then the children are likely to become orphans one way or another (if the children survive).  I do notice that few of the Gammas we have seen had any children (and possibly none had surviving children, other than Chaz). I wonder if it is biologically possible to create a child after "becoming" a Gamma.

If second generation anomalies do become Betas, then the orphan population is where to look for them.

I also have a feeling we may get the answers to some of these questions in episode 2x06, "Cuckoo"
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2009, 10:30:40 pm »

If Bear's latest Criminal Minds commentary is to be believed, something "in late season SU" will remind folks of Spencer Reid's watch chain and nobody will believe that Bear had written the scene in question before CM 4x17 "Demonology" aired.

Looks like, at some point in "Smoke & Mirrors", Chaz Villette will be very well dressed.
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2009, 06:36:29 pm »

I predict that Smoke and Mirrors will be set in mid-February 2009, and will feature the unveiling of Chaz as a second-stage beta. (Okay, that's not a very bold prediction.) I also think that the finale will contain at least one moment when the outcome of a crucial situation will depend on whether someone else on the team can bring themself to put their full trust in Chaz, the way Lau did in Overkill.  It may be Reyes, but I tend to think that's too obvious; my money's on Hafidha.
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