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« Reply #105 on: July 14, 2008, 12:55:25 am » |
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*wakes up from a nap I shouldn't have taken*
*reads while still have asleep*
*wibbles incoherently about how awesome*
*collapses in to a small pile*
*wibbles some more*
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« Reply #106 on: July 14, 2008, 03:24:00 am » |
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I've had a fondness for Frost since the beginning. In real life she would probably manage to reduce me to silence with a look, but I know a few people like her and have never found it possible to dislike them.
And I love that she reached out to Chaz in the way that she did.
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« Reply #107 on: July 14, 2008, 06:32:46 am » |
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Holy. Something-or-other.
So, Frost's father killed her mother. And there's this in her bio: "She was orphaned at age 16, when her father--her only surviving relative--was killed in a car accident that Frost walked away from." Oh, my.
And an origami platypus? I'd bet she either looked up directions, or invented them, specifically for Chaz.
Who'd've thought a visit from Frost could be, in a weird sort of way, comforting?
*boggled*
Holy friggin' something-or-other, indeed. Damn, now Frost is *really* human, and I don't know how to process that. *boggled* x5. Wow. |
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« Reply #108 on: July 14, 2008, 07:50:21 am » |
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The Relative made people like him even though he was using them, taking advantage of them. Chaz is just a nice guy.
I suspect Chaz of developing "likeability" as a skill, for social defense, and using his pattern-reading Betability to make it particularly effective. Get out of my brain! I had this same thought over the weekend. What if it's really something benign, this everybody-likes-Chaz, as a part of his camouflage? It's a great way to hide, the average likeable guy living down the hall, says hi to the kids, feeds the feral cat. Related to his Beta, but not an evil thing like William's. |
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tamnonlinear
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I said to my soul be still, and wait without hope
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« Reply #109 on: July 14, 2008, 09:09:34 am » |
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Frost is an incredibly shut-down turned-off cauterized person. People just aren't worth the bother. People aren't a solvable problem, because they're just all kinds of screwed up and damaging, and if you get close they just hurt you. If she ever had the humanity programs running, she removed them as unreliable instructions a long time ago. This isn't even bitterness, it's just the conclusion she came to based on the evidence.
I like her.
It strikes me that Frost probably thinks of herself primarily as efficient and competent (and in her own way, she's right. She's just fine for herself. A species of Frosts wouldn't last past one generation, but she's perfectly functional on the individual level even if the species level survival isn't there. She probably wouldn't see a problem with that, either). So maybe her visit to Chaz, apart from being something that may or may not have been assigned by Reyes (how long until the regular check-ins are done?), may have also been some form of illustrative lesson on her part.
Madeleine Frost came by to let him know that this kind of trauma is survivable and he'll be just fine. She lived through what happened to her. She's perfectly normal. To her, informing him that she lived through rather horrific events is reasonable, not to help generate a sense of empathy, but because it's providing him with more data points so he can think about this logically.
It's both terrifying and heartbreaking that she is, in her own way, right.
It's very weird, playing with the games of what sort of damage creates monsters and what kind of damage creates heroes. To be honest, the average person is neither going to set a house on fire nor rush into one to save strangers.
(Frost might just keep up a running description of what would be happening to the people trapped inside. Not with glee or malice, but as an exercise in observation and extrapolation.)
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« Reply #110 on: July 14, 2008, 09:17:01 am » |
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So, did Frost kill her daddy too? With the knowledge of the fact that (at least she thinks that) her father killed her mother, I'm reading that daddy "was killed in a car accident that Frost walked away from" in a whole new way.
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Any connection between American art and American nature is purely coincidental, but this is only because the nation as a whole has no contact with reality.
'Ignatius J. Reilly' in John Kennedy Toole's -- A Confederacy of Dunces
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txanne
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« Reply #111 on: July 14, 2008, 09:22:05 am » |
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I've suspected it from the beginning. Mostly because with these writers, words mean things.
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tamnonlinear
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« Reply #112 on: July 14, 2008, 10:04:59 am » |
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I think it's entirely probable that she came to the logical conclusion that her father wasn't a properly functioning person, he wasn't working in correct order, and therefore eliminated the threat.
She studies cancer. She has an interest in the things that behave aberrantly, against the good of the whole.
She probably feels that the world would run a lot more smoothly if people were just logical about it. Illogical activity, such as cancer, anomalies, and parents that abuse and/or kill, are malfunctions to be understood and removed.
The thing that stops Frost from being a monster is that she doesn't seem to want anything from other people. The monsters we've seen want control, revenge, or some other form of power. I think the same set of events that made her so disquieting and close-off are also the ones that made her, relatively speaking, harmless. She gave up on people, if she was ever invested in human interaction at all. She's uncomfortable to be around because she has no evident emotional response to other human beings, but the same aspect makes her unlikely to go to any effort to harm them either. They're just not interesting enough to be worth the bother.
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« Reply #113 on: July 14, 2008, 10:44:32 am » |
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I've suspected it from the beginning.
Same here. Mostly because with these writers, words mean things.
Oh yeah. Even if it can take me a while (second, third, umpteenth reading, or from what other people here have said) to catch the meanings. |
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Still will I harvest beauty where it grows... --Edna ST. Vincent Millay
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« Reply #114 on: July 14, 2008, 01:41:42 pm » |
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And the PTB implied this one was going to answer fan questions... hah, I say!
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« Reply #115 on: July 14, 2008, 01:55:39 pm » |
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And the PTB implied this one was going to answer fan questions... hah, I say!
They didn't say it wouldn't create more questions... |
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Still will I harvest beauty where it grows... --Edna ST. Vincent Millay
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« Reply #116 on: July 14, 2008, 05:37:52 pm » |
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Chaz's current knife-fascination/phobia thing in the LJ is kinda creepy... He's trying to psych himself into using his new knife. The first line of that It's just a tool, Chaz. is not nearly as creepy as the last line Really, son. You're disappointing me. I really do think that Chaz may be carrying some of William's personality (or a reflection thereof). The voice just changes for me, from a very Chaz-like internal dialogue to something more authoritarian and darker. (btw: loved Frost's visit to Chaz.) |
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« Reply #117 on: July 14, 2008, 06:26:20 pm » |
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I think it's entirely probable that she came to the logical conclusion that her father wasn't a properly functioning person, he wasn't working in correct order, and therefore eliminated the threat. Yes, very possible. It also raises the possibility that she reacted to Melinda Grossman in exactly the same way... |
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« Reply #118 on: July 14, 2008, 09:58:43 pm » |
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I think it's entirely probable that she came to the logical conclusion that her father wasn't a properly functioning person, he wasn't working in correct order, and therefore eliminated the threat. Yes, very possible. It also raises the possibility that she reacted to Melinda Grossman in exactly the same way... That puts an interesting spin on her visit to Chaz. |
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"I wanted to tell you both. I've met someone."
"Danny, that's good," his mother said, sounding strange and strained and cautious. "What's--"
"His name's Grayson. He works for the State Department."
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txanne
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« Reply #119 on: July 14, 2008, 10:09:03 pm » |
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I think it's entirely probable that she came to the logical conclusion that her father wasn't a properly functioning person, he wasn't working in correct order, and therefore eliminated the threat. Yes, very possible. It also raises the possibility that she reacted to Melinda Grossman in exactly the same way... That puts an interesting spin on her visit to Chaz. GO AWAY I AM NOT LISTENING. |
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